Russia Wants To Fight ISIS: 3-Way War Consequences


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Russia is looking into furthering its military support of the leader of Syria, who is fighting ISIS.

These are the two main sides of the war – fundamentalist Jihadi rebels (such as ISIS) on one side, and Bashar al-Assad (the ruler of Syria) on the other.

The U.S. wants to support “moderate” rebels, who are supposedly against both Assad and ISIS, creating a 3-way war.

A 3-way war is an interesting concept.  How is this working out in real life?

Russian Missile Maker: MH-17 Shot Down by Buk M-1 Missile System

In regards to the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH-17, this website wrote In July, 2014 that AP journalists had seen a Buk M-1 missile system being transported in Ukraine at the town of Snizhne:

“According to the Huffington Post:  ‘…it was hard to miss the bulky missile system, also known as a Buk M-1. It left deep tread marks in the asphalt as it rumbled by in a small convoy.’”

“Apparently the vehicles stopped in front of journalists from The Associated Press.

“A man wearing unfamiliar fatigues and speaking with a distinctive Russian accent checked to make sure they weren’t filming.

Boden-Luft-Raketentransport BUK mit gestohlener Zugmaschine (Foto: Paris Match)

“The convoy later moved on, destination unknown in the heart of eastern Ukraine’s pro-Russia rebellion.

“Three hours later, people six miles (10 kilometers) west of Snizhne heard loud noises. and then they saw pieces of twisted metal — and bodies— fall from the sky.”

So, it appeared last July that the rebels in eastern Ukraine were in possession of a Buk M-1 missile launcher.

Recently, the Financial Times wrote:

“Russian weapons manufacturer Almaz-Antey has confirmed that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by a Buk missile system as suggested by the west, but said the rocket came from Ukrainian military stocks.

“The state-owned company presented what it said were the findings of an expert investigation as it seeks to challenge European Union sanctions in the EU’s General Court.

“At a rare press conference on Tuesday, company officials said if the Boeing was shot down by an air defence system, it could only have been a Buk-M1. ‘We have irrefutable proof that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have missiles of this type,’ said Yan Novikov, the company’s director-general.”

“Analysis of publicly-available pictures of the wreckage indicates that the missile was a Buk M1 series with a M38M1 warhead, CEO Yan Novikov told reporters, according to the TASS news agency and English-language news site, Sputnik,” writes NBC News.

So now, a person from the company that makes the Buk missile system is claiming that the plane MH-17 could have only been shot down by a Buk M-1 missile system.

Could pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine have stolen a Buk M-1 system from Ukraine and used it shoot down MH-17?

According to The New York Times, On June 29, the official news agency RIA Novosti quoted a separatist from the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic saying that pro-Russia militants had “assumed control of A-1402 military base,” equipped with “Buk mobile surface-to-air missile systems.”

The New York Times also wrote, “As Jonathan Landay, a national security correspondent for McClatchy, pointed out, Russian state media had trumpeted the capture of ‘a Ukrainian anti-air military installation’ in the region…”

So, pro-Russian rebels had captured the Ukrainian A-1402 military base, which had Buk missile systems.  Ukraine had Buk M-1 missile systems.

The publication Paris Match claimed to have photographs of a Buk system that was being transported on a truck that was stolen in Donetsk, eastern Ukraine.

So, is it going too far to ask if it is possible that rebels from eastern Ukraine captured a Buk M-1 missile system and then used it?

(Updated article)

http://news.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/17/latest-updates-on-malaysia-airlines-plane-crash-in-ukraine/#ukraine-says-rebels-spoke-of-crash-in-intercepted-calls

http://www.businessinsider.com/mh17-story-2014-7

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696847/They-shouldnt-f-g-flying-There-war-going-Ukraine-intelligence-officials-release-phone-calls-claim-PROVES-Russia-shot-Flight-MH17.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-plane-crash/mh17-shot-down-buk-missile-type-owned-ukraine-russian-firm-n368296

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/malaysian-plane-shot-down-buk-missile-ukrainian-adviser-ifax-2014071

https://reasonablyliberal.wordpress.com/2014/07/28/photos-of-supposed-buk-missile-launcher-in-eastern-ukraine/

https://reasonablyliberal.wordpress.com/2014/07/27/before-mh17-crash-ap-journalists-saw-rebels-with-buk-missiles/

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-missile-maker-mh17-shot-down-ukrainian-missile-104254947.html

Reagan-Era Conservative Buchanan Disagrees With Fox News’ Sean Hannity On Iran

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“Old-Time” conservative Pat Buchanan “gets it” about Iran and the fight against ISIS.

The fight in Iraq is the Sunni rebel ISIS against Iran-backed Shia Muslims.

Buchanan was a senior advisor to Nixon, Ford, and Reagan, according to Wikipedia.

Fox News’ Sean Hannity doesn’t seem to understand the situation on the ground in the Middle East.  He apparently wants the United States to fight both sides in the battle of Sunni rebel ISIS vs. Iran-backed Shia. The U.S. has to pick a side – hopefully the lesser of two evils.

In World War II, you wouldn’t fight both the Nazis AND Britain.  You pick a side.  Hannity doesn’t seem to get it.

CIA Study On Arming Rebels

According to the Boston Globe, a CIA study on arming rebels says this:

The still-classified review, one of several CIA studies commissioned in 2012 and 2013 in the midst of the Obama administration’s protracted debate about whether to wade into the Syrian civil war, concluded that many past attempts by the agency to arm foreign forces covertly had a minimal impact on the long-term outcome of a conflict. They were even less effective, the report found, when the militias fought without any direct US support on the ground.

Majority Report video.

DShK Soviet Machine Gun

The DShK (also called the Dushka, or “sweetie”) is a gas operated, belt fed, air-cooled machine gun that fires in automatic mode only.

It is a machine gun found all over the Middle East and is often mounted on the backs of trucks. It is used by the Kurdish peshmerga and other goups. It can be seen in much of the Iraq or Syria war footage.

It is a 12.7mm caliber (.50 cal.) and was made by the Soviet Union. It was first built in 1938 and made until 1980. It has been used against ground troops and also as an anti-aircraft weapon.

The “Dushkas” in the Middle East are old, but they are still considered to be destructive and effective.

One Year Gone: Rand Paul On Airstrikes Over Syria

The Islamic State is considered a Syrian “rebel” group.  

About a year ago, the U.S. was considering airstrikes against the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria.  The president had even said that Assad had crossed a “red line” with chemical weapons.   

However, now the U.S. finds itself bombing one of Assad’s enemies – the Islamic State – in Iraq.  The U.S. is also making surveillance flights over Syria (supposedly to prepare to bomb the Islamic State in Syria).  

Though numerous critics including Hillary Clinton have claimed that the U.S. should have bombed the Assad regime, we now find the U.S. and the Assad regime with a common enemy – the Islamic State.  I.S. is considered a Syrian “rebel” group.  Assad and the Islamic State are enemies. 

This puts the U.S. in an awkward position. 

Should the U.S. try to become Assad’s ally?  Or should the U.S. declare both groups their enemy?

One more thing – Syria’s foreign minister warned the U.S. not to enter Syrian air space.

“A top Syrian official said Monday any U.S. airstrikes without consent from Syria would be considered an aggression” an AP report said.

Syria is a different place than is was just a year ago.  Below is a video from a year ago with Rand Paul about the Syrian situation.